#19: Tina Marie Talks with Udo Erasmus, Author and co-Founder of UDO's Choice Supplements
Udo Erasmus is a pioneer of the health and wellness industry having created FLAX OIL and the Healthy Fats Movement. He is also the co-founder of the UDO’S CHOICE supplement brand, a global leader in cutting edge health products having sold tens of millions of bottles of healthy oils, probiotics and digestive enzymes. Udo is an accomplished author including Fats that Heal Fats that Kill that has sold over 250,000 copies worldwide. Udo has extensive education in Biochemistry and Biology, a Masters Degree in Counseling Psychology from Adler University and has impacted over 5,000,000+ lives by passionately conducting 5,000+ live presentations, 3,000+ media interviews, 1,500 staff trainings and traveled to 40+ countries with his message on how to achieve perfect health.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (00:02):
Hello, and welcome to light your life. I'm your host, Tina Marie Saint's here. And as always, it is so good to be with you. We bring you the lives of amazing humans that are doing great in our world. They get to share their journey and what they've come through, surmounted, the odds that they've met and how they did it, and why are they here? What is the message that they hold for you and your soul and your heart to allow you to have a better life? That's what we're here for to let your life a little more. Let me tell you about our wonderful guests. I love having conversations with Udo, Udo, harassments as our guest today. And he's going to help us learn how to live lit from within and what that means Udo is if you've ever wondered who is responsible for the healthy fats movement, you get the, to hear that from Udo today and why we need to have flax oil.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (00:50):
I love flax oil, by the way, especially on my salads. He's also the co-founder of U-Dub choice supplement brand and is a global leader of cutting edge health products sold in all the stores that you love. And you've seen his name. Maybe you haven't paid attention to who is behind the name. You get to hear his story today. Udo is also an accomplished author, including fats that heal. That's the kill that has sold over 250,000 copies worldwide. He has an extensive education background and hold on, listen to this education in biochemistry. Biology is a master's degree in counseling psychology from Adler university and has impacted over 5 million lives by partially conducting 5,000 plus seminars in live presentations, interviews like this and traveled to over 40 countries worldwide with his messages. And he gets to share today with you at the light, your life podcast audience. Thank you so much Udo for being here. I can't wait to, to just know how our conversation is going to unfold. It'll be definitely organic soul-based and heart-based just like you.
Udo Erasmus (01:51):
Yeah, no one, no one knows how it's going to unfold yet in an hour. We'll have a pretty good idea.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (02:00):
Well, it will have been done. Awesome. I wanted to start out. I read a lot about your bio stock to you a bit here, and I love that you started out as a sixties hippie. I am the product of hippies. Supposedly at Haight Ashbury, they think that's where I was conceived as a park in the bar. I grew up with a blanket, lots of them. So you're a product of the sixties and you've you've. I mean, we could think that all these people that we Revere and I Revere you as mentors lead, these really wonderfully wholesome life, but BS on that, right? So where did Udo and his character and his spirit really begin?
Udo Erasmus (02:43):
Well? Yeah it began about 20 years. Well, almost 30 years before the hippie days. Tell us about it. In, in Poland, when it was part of Germany during the second world war, I was born in 1942, my parents had come from Latvia and Estonia and they left when the communists took over Latvia because they loved Russians and they hated communism because communists took everything away from everybody. And then they don't everything. And nobody had anything and nobody had freedom. And there were always things you couldn't find. And like, it was a really not a D it was a difficult life. And they went through the first world war up there. Then they went through the Bolshevik revolution, started at the end of the set of the first world war. Then they went through the depression and then they left just before the second world war and Germany had taken over part of Poland because they had German Swedish background.
Udo Erasmus (03:43):
They got given some land in Poland and the man who owned the land and ended up working for my father on his own farm. Oh, interesting. So I was born, I sometimes say, well, I was born on a stolen farm. And then at the edit at the end of the war, we were refugees. I was not quite three yet. And we were fleeing out of Poland, was the communist on our tail, chasing us in tanks and trucks down dirt roads on horse-drawn hay wagon, mostly women, mothers, and young children. No, no, man. They were all off to war and no military presence on those roads and the allies who were supposed to be the good guys for using us as target practice shooting at us from planes. You're kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. And I was,
Speaker 3 (04:35):
You know, and I don't remember much other, there
Udo Erasmus (04:38):
Were dead horses than people in the ditches. It was chaotic. It was frightening. It was, I, anxiety is a big deal for me. Yeah. And you couldn't trust anything. And every day things were different kind of like right now, right? Every day you get some different instructions about how to, what you should be doing. And it's like, it's really confusing. And so we my mother had six kids, six and under by herself, the horse broke the horse. The wagon broke down and she went through the fields because the fields were safer than the roads. Right. But you couldn't take six kids with her. So she had to make a choice to leave four kids behind in the mix of that. I was one of them. And I ended up in an orphanage for, for a short time. Eventually we got reunited long story and I grew up really, really shy. I didn't know. I never knew I never felt safe. So I, I lived in a world of books because books are safe. You can see a few books behind me.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I have a lot more books.
Udo Erasmus (05:53):
So books were safe, you know, because you can read about a war in a book, but that's different than actually dodging bullets. Yes. You know? So, so I lived in the world of, of that. And then when it came to getting educated, I've wanted to understand how things work first in science. How do things work as when you know how things work, then you get a little bit of predict and control. That's what science, science, science is about to learn so that you can predict and control the behavior of things. And then you can make gadgets, right. And you know how they're going to work because you understand the science. So I got into that. Then I got into biological sciences because I wanted to understand how creatures work. And then I got into psychology because I wanted to know how thinking work works. Then I got into, into medicine because I wanted to know how health works because it's called health care.
Udo Erasmus (06:54):
And I thought, that's what you learn about health. Well, it turned out, I only learned about disease there. And I asked the Dean, well, what is healthy said, we don't know what we're working on it. And so, and that was the end. And we were told that doctor should sound as though he knows what's going on. Even when he doesn't. And that ended my medical career. Cause I couldn't see myself lying to people, making stuff up because I'm supposed to be an expert and experts are supposed to have answers. And I went back into biological sciences because that's where you learn about health because you're studying normal creatures under normal situations with normal behavior and walking the chemistry of all of it. Yeah. And then I got into the biochemistry and genetics of all of that. And it was like, Oh, this was so I loved it.
Udo Erasmus (07:42):
But then there was still something missing and I didn't know what it was, but I knew I had tried, I'd looked at some, some of the other arts faculties and, you know, in psychology, in social psych and sociology. And I dabbled in all of that. And what I was looking for was still missing and I didn't know what it was. And so finally I said, you know, I'm not going to find it at university. And I left. And then I got into psychedelics. Sixties happened at that point. So I psychedelics broke, open my world. Cause I was V I was so tight and psychedelics do that. They, they break open your, your habitual patterns and gives you more options. They connect parts of your brain that are not connected. That's why they, they can be very useful when people have added addictions or depression or anxiety or PTSD because those are brain tracks. We run down and, and, and they are so well trod. Those tracks that between the, the trigger and the response, there's always a gap, but the, the more we track, the shorter, the gap becomes and the less likely we are to see that we have other options and the more likely to run the track down the track, just because we run down it a hundred thousand times. Yeah. And to break that open is the therapy that case. Yeah.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (09:11):
Just the thought there do people, you know, I had a client who was asking me, you know, keep doing this. I, I, I'm trying my best to be more organized, to be more focused. And yet I keep having distractions and I go off on this tangent and this tangent is the lack of focus. One of these tracks that you talk about that people can get stuck in to not have the energy to stay focused. And they, their emo or addiction is to stay distracted.
Udo Erasmus (09:42):
Oh, I would say that. I would say that you're not addicted enough because, because if, well, because if you want to stay focused, focused, focused, focused, focused, then you want to, you want to run that track so many times that it becomes habitual. So they, and in a way, that's what you do when you learn skills, right? You get better at it, better at a better, at pretty soon it becomes second nature. Well, that would, that would be true for being focused as well.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (10:14):
Or even having the ability to focus on something for a long period of time,
Udo Erasmus (10:17):
We have the ability to focus, you know, something, something moves out there and boom, it has your attention. So we're very good at focusing. We may not be very good at focusing for long on the same thing that might actually already be boring after two minutes. Because, because we're because we're actually attracted by change and that's for survival and that's survival. Right. And we had to learn how to do that for survival. But we in getting focused on change on the outside, we got disconnected from focus on wholeness on the inside or on unconditional love or on peace on the inside because that's there too. It's just that our reality becomes wherever our focus goes and freedom that we have, like when we talk about freedom, the main freedom that we have in our life is that we can move. We are free to move our focus from wherever we want to, wherever we want.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (11:19):
Beautiful. I'm going to come back to that thought because I know you're so deep. We can have that conversation. I want to have that conversation on the love and the soul and the inner, you know, to be lit from within you touched on psychedelics and it, it breaks the patterns. And I know I've been seeing a lot of turn to that lately for people.
Udo Erasmus (11:35):
Yeah. And there's other ways to do it. There's something called a scramble in neuro-linguistic programming. And what you do is you take a track and the track has, has words. Like, it's not fair. What's the use. Nobody loves me. I'm no good. Something's wrong. Me, you know, just stuff we say that like, right. I say it over and over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And not, not like, not like I use something as an excuse to stress myself, but it stress me out. And I'm the victim of that thing. Right? Exactly. And so what they do then is they play a game. They say, okay, I want you to say this thing that you say to yourself all the time that gets you into your depression, or that gets too into your anxiety, or that gets you into the state. You don't want to be in, but I want you to say it, not like, Oh, why is it always happening to me? I want you to say it really sexy. Wow. Why isn't that happening to me? Why is this always happening to me? Right. And that changes the tone. And then you say, okay, well let's say it like the Terminator would say it.
Udo Erasmus (12:47):
Yeah, yeah. Like that. Right. I'll be back and I'll be back or like the singing chipmunks or, or S say it or say it to the lyrics of it, of a kid's song that, you know, and while you're doing all that, maybe you could just stand in your living room and, you know, rub your stomach this way. Right. And this way, and then turn around, you know, and do all that while you're saying these things. So you're scrambling. Yeah. So, and then your turn turned around and you do other movements and you know, by the time you're done, it might take 30 minutes. You can probably giggling. Cause we're being totally silly. Right. Right. And giggling, doesn't go with depression. So what you've done by, by making all these other connections to this thing, you say that gets you, that gets you depressed. Now you're saying it, but you've got a hundred options and depression is not fun if you see the option because you've scrambled it and you've opened up those options.
Udo Erasmus (13:57):
If you see other options, you probably would put depression a lot lower on your list of priorities. Right. Like you're doing it because you're so habituated to it that you don't see any other options. So scrambling up those, I love that idea. I love that idea. Yeah. Now you've had, now you have this, the saying that gets you into depression. You have it associated with silliness and animals and you know, songs and childhood memories. Right. And then yeah, you can still, you can still go to depression, but you're likely not to want to because yeah. Or, well, you wouldn't even go there. That's, what's so cool about it. You don't even go there because you have other options and the other many of the other options you would rather go there. If you knew that you could now, you know, you can, because you just did it. Right. That's the scramble. So that's, that's similar to what psychedelics do.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (14:55):
Do you ever find that people like having their worry and their stress and their identity of things not being good? Yeah,
Udo Erasmus (15:04):
Sure. You know, that's, that's like the joke among psychologists or how many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? You know, you know,
Tina Marie St.Cyr (15:12):
But the light bulbs gotta want to change only
Udo Erasmus (15:14):
One, but only if the light bulb wants to change. And that's the thing you can't, you can't force change on people. They have to want to change. So when do they want to change either because they have an insight that things could be better or because the pain of not changing is, is, is stronger than the pain of changing. Right. And then you, and then you get buy-in and once you get buy-in, the change is not that difficult. In fact, once a person is ready to change, it's almost like the psychologist is a, he's just a witness more than because the, if, if somebody is determined that they want to change, then the energy is already there. The energy's there and they'll figure it out. Right. And the psychologist can help because they may be more familiar with the territories. But, but yeah, you can't, you can't force change on people. This is everybody's, everybody's big lament because all the people we'd like to change, whose behavior we don't like or whom we love, you know, we'd like them to change for their own good or because we don't like how they are and that's not in our power. We can influence them.
Udo Erasmus (16:28):
We, we can, we can not buy into whatever it is that we don't like, but we can't force the change on them. Right. Usually when you try, when you try to force change on people, they just become stronger in their stupid beliefs. Yeah.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (16:44):
You stupid movies. I like that term. They do. I'm learning that I'm a parent. So I have kids. Yeah. Definitely been there. I want to ask the pivotal question for our podcast today. What does it mean to be lit from within
Udo Erasmus (16:57):
Lit up from within? Yeah, well lit up from within is, you know, in, in Buddhism they talk about enlightenment. So the idea was Buddha was enlightened. What does that mean? He was lit up from within what does that mean? He was in touch and aware of and experiencing the light within him that is called life or that solar energy is that's what our life is. And, and why is that a big deal is because when we're in our mother's womb, we actually live in that light because in your mother's womb, I call it the Buddha tank. Yeah. Why is that? Because in the Buddha tank, you're floating on a little cord, everything, everything is taken care of. There's no place to go. There's nothing to do and it's safe. And because there's nowhere to go and nothing to do, your awareness remains wild. You're in the tank at rest, in its source, inside your body, in the energy. That is the life that is growing you. And that is the light that you actually are. Now. Let me just sidetrack on that. If I say it to you,
Speaker 4 (18:24):
[Inaudible]
Udo Erasmus (18:24):
Tina, whose body is set and I've pointed you. Yeah. What'd he say, typically say, it's my body, right? Yeah. Typically, typically people say, it's my body. It's a body thing. That's the thing. It's the thing that's so cool about it is that when I say this is my body, I've just said that I am not the body we live as still. We were the body. You know, we eat for the body and sleep for the body and go to the toilet for the body and have sex for the body and, and rest for the body and work for the body and get a job to get the money, to get the stuff for the body. We live like we were the body, but we're actually not the body, but the owner, if this is my body, I'm the owner. So then who am I as the owner of the body?
Udo Erasmus (19:13):
I guess it's the light inside that you speak of life, life. Because when life and the body part company bodies finished, all of a sudden, no more needs, no more nothing. Right? So, so I'm life, life owns the body. Life is omnipresent within me, everywhere. Present in my body, Omni potent, all power in my body is life. The only power in my body is life and Omni sea and all knowing in the body because it knows, even though it weighs nothing, it runs everything, you know, all the cells dividing and the kidneys filtering and the liver detoxing and the brain firing and the heartbeat pushing the blood, right. Everything done by life. Most of it without our input. And often our input is counterproductive. If we can keep our head on in, out of the way, life does a really good job of taking care of this thing.
Udo Erasmus (20:23):
It's like one of our number one lessons is to keep ourselves out of our own way. Yeah. And that's hard and it's hard. Right? And so, so yeah, life is unconditional love for the body. If I could bring my focus inside into the light, into the life, into the solar that I am in my individual essence, I would feel unconditional love for the body because that's all life does. Its only job is to take the best possible care of the body. Never takes time off. Never goes on. Strike. Never says, no, I'm not doing that. You know, it's just does. Does, does, does, does I can interfere. It'll still try to do it. You know, I can hate my life. It will still take care of me. There's a good model for unconditional love now really is what happens when, when we get born, our awareness goes from being present inside because there were no, there was nowhere to go. And now it goes into the, into the world because I have to get to know the world to understand how to live in it in order to survive in order for the body to survive for the time that it has on the planet. Wow.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (21:45):
To, I guess in whole new environment
Udo Erasmus (21:47):
Kind of like it's kind of like that. Yeah. So, so you literally, you're going from present insight and absent outside through your senses to being present outside and absent inside. And in that change of focus because all it is is a change of focus. Your awareness gets disconnected. Our awareness gets disconnected from its source, from life, from the light that we are.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (22:16):
Wow. Right.
Udo Erasmus (22:20):
And with that comes an ache heartache. You know, when people don't feel restless, empty urinating, striving, hoping, praying, grieving, sorrow, right? Blue, somebody dumps me right. Heartbroken and you know, and it's, and it's triggered by so many things. Grandma dies, triggers it. Dog runs away, triggers it. Somebody makes a promise and they break the promise. Disappointment triggers it and a feeling, an uneasy feeling in our chest. That feeling ha we ha I've got 10 pages of different things. People call it even can't feel like I can't breathe isolated. I've used the term homesick desolated, homesick. Homesick is, is a similar feeling. It's the same feeling. Yeah. If you strip that feeling of all of the triggers, because we think it's grandma made me sped, but grandma's okay. Everybody dies perfectly. Grandma's okay. I'm alive. How come I'm not? Okay. You know, if there was something wrong and, and, and death was a bad thing, then grandma should not be okay and I should be okay because I'm alive. Right. But no, because we haven't, we haven't confused. So why is why this trigger is because once we get out there and we've lost ourselves and there's an uneasiness, then our driving force in our life becomes trying to find that ease again. And all the big projects that we do in all of the things that we hope for. There's always the hope tied to them. They're driven by this. And there's always the hope that when I succeed, when I accomplish what I set out to do,
Speaker 5 (24:23):
I'll feel
Udo Erasmus (24:23):
I'll feel okay again, I will feel the relief of this drive. And the thing is, and the thing is, it never happens because when you do, and sometimes it takes people years, decades, sometimes to, to get to this achievement, they get three days where they say, yay, I did it. I did it. I did it. And after, and on the fourth day they expect. And why is that? Because you cannot fix an internal disconnection with an external connection, but that's what we do. That's how we live our life. That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing for 200,000 years. That's how come we're destroying the planet and our politics and our relationships and our health and everything else, because we're trying to fix on the outside. And when we can't do it in easy ways that we look for more difficult ways. Like if, if it's, if not something normal, we'll do it. We'll start doing abnormal things. You know, that's why people kill each other. That's why people get drug addicted. That's why, I mean, it goes on and on and on. That's why somebody thinks it's a cool thing to walk barefoot across Antarctica. Right. And then think, Oh, well I will accomplish. I will be really unique, which is true. You need your unique anyway, but that will not, you'll get frostbite on your toes, but you ain't going to get your heart filled with light.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Wow.
Udo Erasmus (25:50):
The secret. So the, so the message, the, the, the, the message of the masters was that they were clear, the ache, this uneasy feeling in your chest is actually not about all of the things that you lost. It's actually that when you lose those things that you've distracted yourself into, because you were trying to fix this. And every time they end you fall back to this feeling, which is the feeling of your loss of your connection to yourself that you had when you were in the Buddha tank. And, and, and that, and then what they said is sit instead, they didn't say distract yourself from it. What we do is when we feel it, we don't like it. So we either distract ourselves from it, or we try to ignore it, or we tried to deny it, or we blame it on somebody or something. I think that's pretty much
Tina Marie St.Cyr (26:53):
Pretty philosophical about things. I have people that talk about
Udo Erasmus (26:58):
It. Yeah. That would be a distraction
Tina Marie St.Cyr (27:00):
Too. Yeah, it is. It is. Yeah. Yeah.
Udo Erasmus (27:03):
And when you, and you, you know, and when they, when they when, when you blame it on somebody or something, that's where you get terrorism. That's why people attack different, you know? But then it's like, Oh yeah, there's my enemy. And if I could just get rid of that enemy, I would feel okay, again, you don't, you get rid of the enemy and you, three days you go, yeah, I got rid of him. And then this thing is back. And so what, so what the master said, first of all, they made it clear. This is your heart calling your focus back home, inside to its source in life. And when you do that, you will feel whole because that is where your whole, this lives, even when you don't feel whole, the wholeness is right in behind that ache. It's always there. It's always there. You cannot not be whole, except as a thought in your head. Right.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (28:05):
The concept, right. Yeah.
Udo Erasmus (28:08):
And then, and then you can, then you can try to, you know, you can do things that make you look, make you not look whole because you're putting your thought, you creating a reality in the shape of your thought. Right?
Tina Marie St.Cyr (28:23):
So, yeah. So the,
Udo Erasmus (28:26):
So the idea, so the idea of these guys was sit with the ache. Don't deny it, accept it. Don't judge. It just feel it be with it, embrace it, accept it. Maybe even be grateful for the power that it has to call you home. Because if you didn't have this, then you would get lost and you would never find your way home. I love that perspective and that, and that makes that ache, the most, the greatest gift you've been given, other than being alive,
Tina Marie St.Cyr (29:08):
There's like simultaneous gifts, right? Yeah. Your first breath and your first name,
Udo Erasmus (29:14):
Life is your gift. And the ache that calls you home is your second greatest gift.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (29:19):
I love this
Udo Erasmus (29:21):
And that. So what do you do? So what do you do? Your question was well, so how do you do it? Right.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (29:26):
Well, another question I have another question I have is, okay. Maybe it's not before, but let's say you feel that, like you said, three days, Oh, I'm so whole, and I get that and you feel that connection and it's so rich. And does humanity itself get addicted to, to feeling the aches so it could derive some type of purpose in its being.
Udo Erasmus (29:50):
I know, I know I know that we don't get addicted to it. We get addicted to trying to deny it. We try to distracting ourselves from it to not feeling it. We get addicted to that because it's because it's not comfortable. This is not a comfortable feeling. It's just the starting point. That's where we are. Right.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (30:10):
Okay. So now to the, what advice do you have for us to connect to this?
Udo Erasmus (30:14):
So so when you, when you accept the feeling, first of all, it's your starting point for your journey back to your, back to your home? So home sickness is a really good word for it, but home to you, not home to your mommy, not home to house
Tina Marie St.Cyr (30:36):
Precedence that I, I, I feel homesick, like literally, like the only term I could ever give it was form sickness. Like I knew that there was something there and I don't even know where the home is. I just simply know the home is there and I want to find a journey back to it, but I don't have the map.
Udo Erasmus (30:52):
So yeah. So the, so the, so the, the, the good news is that you do know where the, where the home is. Yeah.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (30:59):
It's pretty close. It is
Udo Erasmus (31:01):
When you're, when you got the homesickness, you're in the starting blocks and less than a hair's breadth behind it is your wholeness. So you literally, you want to sit with it instead of distracting yourself, you sit with it. It's like putting your, your blocks, putting you're putting your feet in the starting blocks for the race, right? If you want to have a 800 meter race, you say I'm going to win the 800 meter race. I'm going to get the gold medal, because I'm really good. But by God, I am not going to put my feet in the starting block. Right. You can't, you can't take a journey if you don't know both the starting point and the, and the goal, that's true for this one as well. So the starting point is the egg. And that far behind it is your wholeness. And so literally what you need, what you do, what, what all the vice people recommend, just like you take time for, for breakfast and you take time for work and you take time for sleep and you take time for kids and you'd take time for whatever you take time for, make time every day, to sit with yourself, to feel what is there.
Udo Erasmus (32:12):
And when you sit down, you close your eyes, you know, shut off all your distractions, close your eyes, see how still you can become. You know, we used to do that when we did hide, hide and seek, you know, somebody, you know, we were sort of exposed and we didn't hold our breath. And no, no, no, nothing like that. No sound, no breathing, no breathing. See how still you can get, and then see how deep you can go into that stillness, and then see how long you can stay in that stillness and see how lightly you can breathe. You know, not like don't drag your breath through your throat, not like that, but how light and then how slowly you can breathe. So you slow it down. And in that place, maybe five minutes, 10 minutes, half hour, an hour, whatever you want, as long as you can.
Udo Erasmus (33:14):
So what do you notice in that space? And here's, what's, what's really interesting if you close your eyes and you do that, the first thing is you're going to see darkness, right? If you're shut off all the lights, so you're going to see darkness. But if you go deeply enough into the darkness, you will see light in that darkness. And that's the light. That is your life. If you become still like that in that stillness, if you, if you go deep enough into that, stillness, you will hear a sound. There sound in silence. That sound is the sound of your life. And it's like, so on, leave a bleak car. And if you go deep enough into your emptiness, you know, the heartache that we're talking about, you go deep, deep enough into that emptiness. You will discover unconditional love. So now your senses that are usually going out automatically, you've deliberately brought them back. And you're now using your senses, the census monitor energy. We don't think about it, but that's what they do. Right? Right. So light sound, feeling, taste, census, monitor, energy. Your senses can also monitor the energy that is life within you. If you're willing to sit still enough and bring your focus insight and all of them, all of them, all of the people who, who teach self presencing,
Udo Erasmus (35:06):
Use breaths, slow down, do nothing time with yourself. And you do that. And you do that. Now. We're not very good at it because we're going out, out, out. We don't come back very much. We don't do that very much. But if you do it like you did, when you started walking, you know, you tried to get up and you fell down and tried to get up and you fell down and you did that for eight months, every day, many times a day. And by a year old, you could walk, well, this, this is like that too. You can become good at what you practice. So if you practice bringing your awareness insight, and it feels strange at the beginning, because you're not used to it, but the feeling you get into is you will recognize it because you've been in that feeling. You started in that feeling.
Udo Erasmus (35:58):
That's where you were when you were in the Buddha tank. And the enlightenment that Buddha talked about is you bring your awareness inside, sit quietly. They all have some kind of a meditation practice or something. Some where you just sit still and be with yourself. And enlightened means lit up from within, because that is your nature. It's not like it's not your nature now to assist your focus is not on that nature. And you learn to bring your focus to it. And that has to be done deliberately because there's nothing inside going, Hey, look at me, look at me, look at me. It's really quiet down there. So, so your, your, your, your tendency will always be to go outside because that's where all the change happens. Deliberate, you require going inside requires deliberate Y and the closest you come is because the heart is calling you in. And so you deliberately follow that. Okay? I want to go ahead and sign in love with yourself. You will indeed fall in love with your spouse. You will fall in love with the love you are. Yes, because by nature you are love. And then if you can, if you sit in that state, then, then be in loving, outward. Oh, it's so easy. It's automatic, you know, deeper. Then the love actually is peace.
Udo Erasmus (37:30):
And I can be sitting here wherever I am. I'm in Vancouver, right? I'm sitting here, got a window here. You know, some lights got the computer and I can sit here and get into this peace. That is my universal nature. It's, it's the foundation of my existence and pieces. Also the foundation of the existence of the universe. And that's real as an experience, not as an explanation, when I feel that piece, I look around and I say, Oh my God, peace has always already been everywhere. Forever. Always been everywhere. Well then how come? I don't see it all because only peace knows peace. So if I can't see peace everywhere, it's because it's not peace in me. That's doing the observing. When I do have that piece, then I look at, Oh my God, this is such an incredible world. And I will express my peace into the world. So I probably won't hack out all the trees just cause I can or shoot all the wild animals. Cause I can, I would probably just watch and enjoy their existence from a place where my existence is 100% taken care of.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (38:56):
I'm loving our conversation today.
Udo Erasmus (38:58):
Even, even on a battlefield, when the soldiers are fighting, that battle is taking place in con in perfect peace. Why? Because they are the same level of chaos. But no, because it's the peace is in them. It's in them. It's around them. It's between them. It's above them. It's below them because peace is already everywhere. So why are they fighting? Because they're not focused on the peace. They're focused on an idea and their head that says, you're my enemy. I'm going to kill you. And the other guys plays the same game and says, you're my enemy. I'm going to kill you. If they experienced the peace in that situation, they would probably put their weapons down and say, how are your kids? How can I help? Is, is your water good? Do you know, do you know, is there anything I can do to help you live a live a, you know, a life where all your well, or just a life where all your basic needs are taken care of?
Tina Marie St.Cyr (40:01):
So it, I would have to think it begins with one person. So we can imagine that humanity will enlighten itself over night. One person has its own responsibility to its own piece. And from that, is there a ripple effect of the piece that we generate within ourselves?
Udo Erasmus (40:20):
Yeah, of course. Let me give you, let me, let me say it a little different. If I was in the same place that I just talked about of having peace and seeing peace everywhere, right? If I, if I was angry, what would I see? I'd be looking at that same world where the peace guy saw peace. And in that exact same world, I would be looking for enemies and I would find them. And if I couldn't find them, I create them. Right. Cause I'm angry because I want to beat something up. Right. And so when I'm, so when I'm in a, an emotional state of peace, rather than a state of being called peace, sorry, an emotional state called anger. If I'm in that emotional state, I will perceive enemies where the peace guy won't see any. And I will then treat them like enemies, where the peace guy won't treat them like that because that's automatic.
Udo Erasmus (41:18):
My state of being my state, the state that I'm in, yes. Automatically comes to expression. Even if I'm angry, I don't say it. You know, I'm, you know, and my face will almost be blowing up. Right. And people see, and that energy radiates from me directly. Now, if I was fearful in that same situation, I wouldn't be seeing enemies. Now I'd be seeing danger. And if there was no danger, I would be creating things to be dangerous, just so I could respond to them that way. Right. Because of my state of being. So I'm both imposing my state of being on my perception. And then I'm acting my state of being on, on the world automatically like a frequency. Yeah. It's like a frequency, but it shows in it doesn't just show in energy. And in, in like cosmic stuff, it shows in my, my thoughts, it shows in my feeling shows in my, those drive, my thoughts, those drive my words and those drive my actions and those, and those create consequences. So state of being, and yes, the only place where you can find that perfect peace and unconditional love and inspired creativity is in the space of your body occupies. And I can find it in the space, my body occupies
Tina Marie St.Cyr (42:51):
And every human
Udo Erasmus (42:52):
Being has that built in. Cause that is human nature. Every human being can find that in the space, their body occupies should they want to, and if that will be driven most of the time by heartache.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (43:07):
Yeah. And so follow the longing, follow that discontent the ache. Yeah. It's a Juul leaving you home. Yep. So I have another question. I'm playing devil's advocate here from conversations I've had with certain people. There's some people that call themselves and see themselves as impasse and they speak of the energy around them. You know, how, how do I protect myself from the energies around me, if I am responsible for my own space and this own journey, you know, what's your thoughts? What are your thoughts around people believing that they're impacted by the other energies around them and maintaining that wholeness inside of themselves, despite other energies around them?
Udo Erasmus (43:52):
Well, first of all, everybody, whether they're the impasse or they are the, the perpetrator or whatever everybody has that wholeness in them, but you can't be protected by the wholeness in you from other energies. If your focus is not on this energy and you, and you can be empathic and still stay in your peace.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (44:21):
So focused on hair, energy impacting you.
Udo Erasmus (44:24):
Yeah. Because people, because people use being an empath as an excuse for becoming victimized by situations or by other people. And, and so they're just missing something we're all sensitive to, to things. You know, when the earth starts shaking, I notice when the volcano blows blows up and the big cloud happens, I notice. Right. And if I'm, and the more sensitive I am, the less drastic it has to be before I notice. So, so we're all. And, and of course you have to be sensitive to other people because as a child, you, your, your life depends on it, right? So we come, we, so every human being comes with sensitivity, and then we have different ways of dealing with it. If you don't like the sensitivity, then you can create yourself a belief system that you become very harsh at hanging on to, even though it's just a bunch of dumb ideas, right.
Udo Erasmus (45:28):
But you can make that your rock, right. It's all defense mechanisms ultimately. Yeah. Or if you do what I, what we're talking about, if you bring your awareness inside to the peace in you and they couldn't unconditional love in you, you can be present there and present in the energy of somebody else or some situation too. You don't have to give this away to go there. You can stay here and be there too. And in fact, that's, that is actually the goal to be fully present in all of your being and your surroundings and not tripped up in your head. And, and when I started doing my practice, I would go into the practice, I'd have these great experiences and then I'd get out of the practice and I'd be right back into the crazy world that you know, and all of that. And I didn't like it.
Udo Erasmus (46:29):
And it took me and it took me a while. I never figured out for probably probably six years. Maybe I never figured out, do you know what I'm going to go into this place? And when I'm done with my formal practice of sitting still, I'm going to get up. I'm going to take that, that energy with me because it's always there. Right? I'm going to stay in that energy and I'm going to drag it out into the world with me. Why? Because I don't want to give up that. I don't want to give up that experience. There's my fulfillment. Why should I give it up? Especially why should I give it up when I don't have to, but nobody had ever told me that you can be in that place and be doing what you're doing in the world at the same time, at the same time.
Udo Erasmus (47:19):
Right. But it requires some practice. You know, it's like, it's like doing two beats on a drum on one drum and three beats at the same time on the other drum, it takes practice because we're not, we're not automatically wired that way. So then you have to, then you have to do it. And I I've tried to do that. And I never, I never had to, I could have learned it. I know I could have learned it, but I have the staying power and it wasn't important enough for me to learn it. But for people who it is, they learn how to do that. Right. And how important is it to be able to stay in, in my homeless and do what I need to do in the world as well.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (47:58):
Okay. What have you noticed this changed? What have you noticed has changed in your life since you've learned how to do that in the world?
Udo Erasmus (48:04):
I don't rise to the bait. That covers a lot of territory. Right? Cause there's always something, you know, there's always something, yes. People want your attention because they have agendas for you that may not be your agendas for you. You know, that's how sales are done and you know, and maybe some people, you know what I mean? There's all kinds of, and some of this, some of the agendas are pretty crazy, right? So you can, you can see the agenda, which you don't have to buy into it. And especially when you feel whole and content and you have everything because you do in life, you have everything, you don't need more. It becomes easier and easier to enjoy the game, even when you don't play it. Yeah. And, and have a choice to play it or not to play it.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (48:56):
You got to deserve a consciousness that I read about. Yeah. You could call it that. Yeah. Yeah.
Udo Erasmus (49:02):
Yeah. And is there, is there a reason why I shouldn't be present in my own space when, when I have, when I dance with you,
Tina Marie St.Cyr (49:11):
Of course not. When we want everybody to be present in their own space, isn't that the gift we get to also observe. Right.
Udo Erasmus (49:18):
But, eh, but where's the formal training for that.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (49:21):
There isn't, I haven't found it probably
Udo Erasmus (49:23):
Won't even talk about it, but people don't even talk about it, but here's the thing, you know, I was married once I have three kids. Right. And I, I I've, I got into my marriage before I understood all this that I'm talking about. And the way the marriage went was like this. I saw the beauty in her. I had never talked to her. I just saw her. And it was like, Oh my God. Like, and apparently she had the same reaction when she saw me. Awesome. We had, yeah, we were young and we had energy and, you know, we were nice looking, whatever that exactly means. Right. Attraction factor. And, and, and, and so I thought that my fulfillment would come from her because I saw there's like, there's, there's what I'm looking for. And she thought her fulfillment would come from me because she saw the fulfillment there. Cause we were, we were shining. We were, I mean, we were, we were hugging, you know, we were, I was started, she was, she was a goddess. Right? Yeah. And, and, but when it comes to, you know, falling in love is easy, but living love takes effort. And here here's what we did know. She had never found the connection to herself.
Udo Erasmus (50:51):
I hadn't found my connection to myself either. So she expected the love to come from me. And I expected the love to come from her. So I basically put that on her and she put that on me, but I couldn't, but I couldn't get to it to bring it out. And she couldn't get to it to bring it up. What if neither of the people in the relationship can get to the love that they need, the relationship makes the relationship amazing. Then where the hell is the love supposed to come from. But I didn't know that because nowhere in my psychology had had that been clear and when I'm not present in my own space and she talks to me, there's nobody home who she talking to, you know? Yeah. And then I'm talking to her and she's not in her space. You know, at some point you get tired of me. I said, you know, there's nobody home. We're not even having a relationship. We're having a relationship with a fantasy in our head about the other person.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (51:57):
Yeah. And we can tell the difference, you know, whenever we know that that love isn't whole, it's not there. And I love that we're talking about this today because that's, I think our healing the world, right?
Udo Erasmus (52:08):
Yeah. Well it's yeah, because, because that problem in relationships is, has the same source as my problem of my PTSD or my anxiety or my depression or my addiction. Cause I'm not I'm, you know, if I was addicted to this, that'd be a good addiction, right? Yeah. To feeling whole self wholeness, but to feeling not as I, not the concept of wellness, always to feeling or to being present and how can you be whole, how can you feel whole, if you're not present in your space,
Tina Marie St.Cyr (52:47):
Wow. This has been a wonderful conversation.
Udo Erasmus (52:49):
Same thing in politics. You know, the politicians, when they start yelling at each other, they're not in their space. Nope. You can hear arrogance and you can hear opinions and you hear assumptions, but what you don't hear it. But what D what you don't hear is life in me has, you know, is like life in you. Most of what we do, we have in common, very little separates us. Even if we're Democrats and Republicans or liberals and conservatives or whatever you, whatever you call in, whichever country you're in, right? Most things we need on this planet to do are the same for everybody. You gotta eat. You gotta pee. You gotta sleep. You know, in, in winter, you need warm in summer. You want cool. You know, you, you want fun. Do you want to, you want to raise your kids. You want to, you want to give them whatever you can to make them successful. Whatever that means, right? You, you need to breathe. You need to drink water. You need to drink food. Right. Sunshine is preferable to incessant rain for most people. Right? So most of the things we need to do are pretty simple. And we have soy elaborated our thinking, our thoughts, most of which are when it came down to it. If those thoughts disappeared, nothing much would change. And that's what we fight over. And that's what we kill each other over for centuries. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. It goes 200,000 years. Yeah.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (54:32):
Right. There's a quote that was on your website. I pulled down, I love this quote. And it's very much what we're speaking about today. It's there has never, ever been anything wrong with you. No matter what others have told you or what you've told yourself, right. In your essence, you have always been whole cared for and perfect. Yep. And today that is how we live lit up.
Udo Erasmus (54:55):
Yeah. Yeah. But then, but then, you know, th th the blow back from that as well, what do you mean if a person is killed somebody, you know, there there's nothing wrong with them to judgment, but yeah. Then we go into all of that. So here's, here's state that the rest of it there has never, ever been anything wrong with you, no matter what you've been told or what you've told yourself, even though you've had, you felt bad. That led to negative thinking at that might've, might've led to nasty words and that might've led to destructive actions. And that led to stupid, dangerous damaging outcomes. But you are not the consequences. You are not the actions. You are not the words. You are not the thoughts. And you are not the feelings you are life, and there's never, ever, and will never, ever be anything wrong with life. Now, do you treat yourself as though you were life? No. But if you embraced the life, you are and became comfortable in it, your feelings would change. Your thoughts would change. Your, your words would change. Your actions would change. And the consequences would change.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (56:19):
That first level of regard is where begin. Yep. I love this. Thank you for your time today, Udo, the wisdom has been profound and universal. One of your words there I'm taking this with me and I'm feeling that wholeness inside just from hearing words and, and pondering and concentrating on it. It's given me a new consideration and aim at making that a discipline and as important as breathing each day as important. Thank you so much. And so you can find more about udo@theudo.com and he's also on Facebook and his Facebook handle is the Udo Erasmus. And then you can find them on Instagram, which is awesome, and that's to arrest us. And I follow you on LinkedIn too, which is awesome. And I love all your quotes and the things that you can.
Udo Erasmus (57:15):
I got a YouTube YouTube channel under Udo restless, and I also have a website called Udo choice.com, U D O S choice.com. That's where we talk about the oil. You know, after flex all, we developed a blend because flex all is poorly balanced. So we work with a blend and we work with digestive, enzymes and probiotics.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (57:39):
So the next time we have you on let's dive into the health side. Cause you're so rainy on that one today. I love that we went into that, the spiritual side, the true essence of who we are. Yeah. Because you, you asked me some profound questions when we first met and it stayed with me and every now and then I hear your voice in my head reminding me that I am love. And that is the essence of what I am. And so whenever I get worried or anxious or trying to figure things out on my own or frustrated, those words are in my head reminding me of the true essence of life.
Udo Erasmus (58:12):
Definitely. And definitely life has never said that you're not whole and perfect life has never said that people have said it you've said it to yourself, but life, you know, if life didn't think you were worthwhile, it would just very quickly recycle you your body. The fact that you hear me, it's life loves you. Unconditionally loves your body unconditionally.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (58:37):
I'm really good that I like life and life. Life likes me. That's kind of gray. Well, thank you so much for being our guest today on the podcast. We wish you well, next time,
Udo Erasmus (58:49):
Always, always fun to party with you.
Tina Marie St.Cyr (58:52):
Yes, it is. It is. Thank you everybody for listening and for tuning into lights, your life, make this a podcast that you favorite and spread with the world.
